Is it over now?

[Russ Spence]

I have been checking in here for several days and have seen no activity at all so is it safe to assume the Fat lady sang or what?

[Doug Rucker]

chirp chirp

[Ron Musgraves]

No the 501 c in California was granted causing this org to be legit just days prior to filing the close.

Since its now a 501c no one has private interest at all. This means in plain English the only people responsible for the org is its members.


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[John-Clean County PW]

I have been checking in here for several days and have seen no activity at all so is it safe to assume the Fat lady sang or what?

They had the non profit status taken care of awhile ago but there problem is that they need the required BOD's or the fat Lady will be singing..

The Killer here Russ is this---the number one reason why non profits fail taken from the net.

Poor Management
Many a report on nonprofit failures cites poor management as the number one reason for failure. New nonprofit leaders frequently lack relevant business and management expertise in areas such as finance, marketing, and hiring and managing employees. Unless they recognize what they don’t do well, and seek help, nonprofit leaders may face disaster.

They must also be educated and alert to fraud, and put into place measures to avoid it.

 Nonprofits are held to a much higher standard than are businesses in the broader sector and once trust is lost it is very difficult, if not impossible, to regain.

Neglect of a nonprofit can also be its downfall. Care must be taken to regularly study, organize, plan and control all activities of its operations. This includes the continuing study of market research and client service data, an area which may be more prone to disregard once a nonprofit has been established.

A successful manager is also a good leader who creates a work climate that encourages productivity. He or she has a skill at hiring competent people, training them and is able to delegate. A good leader is also skilled at strategic thinking, able to make a vision a reality, and able to confront change, make transitions, and envision new possibilities for the future.

If you look at the above you can see where the UAMCC failed when it should have worked. Now you get people who lost the trust and faith in this and it is darn near impossible to bring it back.

Can the UAMCC come back?? It's easy to say yes but from what I heard no one wants to take on the BOD slots..

Personally I looked at the UAMCC for along time. Had many talks with John Orr and a few others if it can come back. The UAMCC is not in the red from what I was told... But is it worth the effort for some people that have been there before to try and resurrect the UAMCC? I thought about that for months because I'm walking away from one part of my life and this looked like an interesting challenge... But ultimately from the people I know they lost interest. So without them it wasn't worth it for me because I would need them to be on board.

I just talked to Mike Pontillo about this 3 days ago.

The UAMCC Needs new and highly motivated individuals to stand a chance along with some old timers who still feel motivated... But guys like myself have finally realized that when it's time to hold them you go for it,, this case it's time to walkaway and in my case I wish them luck so I'm not going to completely foldem on the UAMCC .. but the heartache and the headache is once again for me.. No longer worth it.. Getting to old to reinvent the wheel.

[Ron Musgraves]

I have all the bod members to bring us strong into 2012.

Will have a hella convention too!!

This org not dead!!

Fat lady is still just fat!!




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[Doug Rucker]

So many contractors are waiting to join the UAMCC but are waiting to see when and if anything is going to happen other than talk. Myself included. There has been talk of a new election and BOD. Well, either get on with it, leave it as is, or shut it down. Whatever the choice is, let's do something so we can move on.

You have a man that is willing and able to take this org to the next level in Ron Musgraves, what on earth are you waiting on. Have a vote and see if he get's elected.

I have told Ron, that if he were to get elected, I am willing to help him in and support him and this org any way I can. Personally I would like to be the Communications/Membership Director. (it can be a BOD position or not, I could care less about the title) I just want to be the guy that keeps everybody informed as to what is going on as far as current events with the org and stays in contact with every member on a regular basis, and begins the process of helping ANY contractor when they need it. Member or not. And believe me, if we help them and their not members, they will become members. If this is not what Ron needs me to do, I will do whatever he asks.

There is an old saying..."if you keep on doing what your doing your gonna keep on gettin what your gettin". If this thing is going to make it it's gotta stop doing whats it been doing and make some changes.

And yes, since it's been said, I am a Ron minion and a trojan horse, (two badges I wear proudly and looking for more badges) I think his leadership, surrounded by some great people that have already served here, and others that have not, is the only chance this org has.

So, now I ask this, who is in charge here? Is there actually a BOD here? A President? If there is, I ask one or all of you to please answer this one simple question?

What does it take to have an election and appoint a new President and BOD?

[PressurePros]

I have all the bod members to bring us strong into 2012.

Will have a hella convention too!!

This org not dead!!

Fat lady is still just fat!!

Sounds good but what about the step in between.. the election? Do you know if that is happening? Its December in a few days with holidays and one month to sort this out for the new year. I don't talk to anyone about this stuff and I'm sure even if I did, no one would really know the answer. Ron, is there activity going on?

[Ron Musgraves]

Sounds good but what about the step in between.. the election? Do you know if that is happening? Its December in a few days with holidays and one month to sort this out for the new year. I don't talk to anyone about this stuff and I'm sure even if I did, no one would really know the answer. Ron, is there activity going on?

Ken will have a town hall if after tonight's bod call they don't rally with something.

John , mike and randy didn't expect the support I guess. They now have it in full force. There are people willing to support. There are vendors ready to kick in dollars.

Plus we need other things.. Many many things .


Please everyone don't blame anyone. It's time we work together, be transparent regardless if the news is good or bad. It's time to just do the best we can do and see what happens.

Randy I reached out to and he called me. He said the bod will talk this evening.

I'll call John Orr today and ask him what's up.

I suspect will have a bunch of folks helping when it's time. I have some folks that said they will run if needed to. These are not Ron lovers , they are independent thinking business men who realize that at the end of the day we may have differences in life but the national stage needs representation from contractors. We need to be united in one front solid to work together as a force towards common goals. Personalities take a backseat to accomplishing these goals.

It's my intentions that we hold true to a mission statement and when conflicts arise we look at the common goals as men to push forward and succeed to obtain our objectives.

This org will be alive and well. It is now and if I have anything to do with it we will be number one in the cleaning industry.

Awareness , training , networking and contractor success will be focused on to build and find the people willing to help build the dream that's been started. We have been awaken during this dream to use the bathroom more than once. Often when things have been going badly. Fortunately in life we awake each day with a drive to continue forward no mater how bad things look. Today and tomorrow might just be one of those days we have all had. I intend on waking each day and making this org better by the minute.


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[Guy B]

Good post John T! And you're right. I think there are a bunch of contractors waiting to join, but as you said they're waiting for strong leadership to emerge, and that's no slight to present directors. The Org is too much to handle for 3 people.

It's time for elections, so let's get on with it. I have reached out to the Bod to let them know if they need help I will be glad to jump in and do what I can.

As Ron said the past is the past, I would like to see some of the TT team back in here helping, I would like to even see Carlos back in some fashion. It's time to pull together and not apart.

I wish the suspicions of certain people that are offering help would stop. At this point I don't think the industry can afford to lose the UAMCC. This will only leave us with the "Evil Empire" which I see as a destructive force if not put into check.


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[John-Clean County PW]

All you have to do is look back and learn. There is or shouldnt be any more blame game. That model should have worked. It really was inexperience,certain things handled incorrectly(my personal biggest mistake) but it really should have worked.

if the UAMCC can build as an org that it was supposed to be and get away with the public display of where the best and the only org that is going to matter type stuff and just build themselves up to be an org that you should and want to belong to...and get volunteers.. They will be on track where tbey were at there highest moments.

You cant forget that many companies belong to so many different orgs and the goal is to not pit them against that. If you can do that then you'll get crossovers also.

Dont take this wrong...but experience tells me..that is most likely not going to happen. Where great they suck mentality sinks ships.

Promote why this org matters then you got a shot and don't be led blindly on any important issues or once again your going to get the 1 step forward and 2 steps back and eventually stuck in the mud.

Good luck.