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[Ron Musgraves]

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[tegrey]

I was wondering how many company's on this BBS actually clean dumpsters? I guess it could be profitable? Who cleans man holes? I had an offer for cleaning a local dump area. We turned it down. They pay pennies on the dollar and my equipment is not set up for this type work. Someone has to do it and I bet there is a lot of money in it? Thank you.

[tegrey]

This is what we turned down. Ron would your company would handle this project? Thank you.

[cleanhoods]

This is what we turned down. Ron would your company would handle this project? Thank you.

That looks like it woulnt be bad to do.Move all the trash out and everything else is just concrete and metal.Go get that job.
Marko

[cleanhoods]

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Nice work Ron.
Marko

[Ron Musgraves]

This is what we turned down. Ron would your company would handle this project? Thank you.

Thats a transfer station. YES YES YES YES... I do them all the time.

What I dont do is clean the transfer trucks of cab anylonger.

Terry, the transfer looks bad, keep in mind thats freash garbage.

The trucks can go for weeks of hauling old garbage. I imagine you cna picture what the trucks look like after a few days inside.

I believe Scott has some contracts cleaning transfer trucks. He might chime in.

I will tell you one sick story, Back in 1986 in Gary IN we were washing a transfer. My sister was and she noticed something odd. On the back tailgate areas before its finally of the truck she noticed a body part. It was someones nail and some other parts of a hand.

Well that project stopped dead in the tracks while police investigated. Turn out not a crime but one of the compactor people lost his hand. My sister found it. of course to late to help. He lost it around two weeks earlier.

You could imagine what that smells like.

[Ron Musgraves]

I was wondering how many company's on this BBS actually clean dumpsters? I guess it could be profitable? Who cleans man holes? I had an offer for cleaning a local dump area. We turned it down. They pay pennies on the dollar and my equipment is not set up for this type work. Someone has to do it and I bet there is a lot of money in it? Thank you.

Incase you where wondering if theres profit in cleaning garbage cans I have cleaned hundreds this week.

My record month in close to 1000, if you look on my photo bucket i have over 6000 photos of dumpster.

We only take picture now for vector control and health dept use.

Sanitary clean up and bio clean up is very profitable too. I do sanitary clean ups for the sanitation water divisions of all citys and state agencys.

I have the DES contracts in arizona statewide and have had for years. These buildings are fun, they have campers that mess the place up pretty bad. They excrete on the buildings and sidewalks. It requires special training and cleaning to properly clean this up. I guess no other company wants to go thru the two week seminar.

[tegrey]

Ron,
It is good we have companys like yours around for that type of cleaning. Can you imagine if it went without cleaning for ayear! LOL We'll stick to homes and small commercial. I may not get the bulk pricing, but as long as it it profitable, we will do what we do. Thanks for sharing.

[Ron Musgraves]

Ron,
It is good we have companys like yours around for that type of cleaning. Can you imagine if it went without cleaning for ayear! LOL We'll stick to homes and small commercial. I may not get the bulk pricing, but as long as it it profitable, we will do what we do. Thanks for sharing.


Not to offend you Terry but I get more money than you. You have to have the training and be certified to clean these jobs by the agency your cleaning for.

I think you get some sort of impression I bid low. I do not waiver from my prices. I get top dollar and volume wont get discounts in most cases.

This work is specialty work, the bio crue gets down time response and also gets minimums on every job.

You guys and your low ball thinking because someone does alot of work.

I service now over 2000 accounts monthly. I get top pay for all the account and have increased some customers budgets through my educational programs. As you heard in MB one chain we increased the budget 60% annually.

My company make near 125.00 per man per hour. Whats your make?

I think why your confused is that you have been told or draw some conclusion on your own.

You see when you wash a home say for 350.00 and it takes you two or three hours total time. travel the whole nine yard, you only making 58 per hour per man. My numbers are average over residual income over jobs that continually repeat over and over again and again and again. While your trying to find the next house wash that you dont caculate in the numbers. you house wash guys never consider we have work month after month and dont have to spend alot of time looking for the next store to clean because the calender is always full.

Below is a Mcdonalds, for obvious reasons it and old agreement. It was cleaned for 1000.00 first time. its was regualar 1400.00.. he was given a discount for signing a regular cleaning contract.

I would love to see you or anyone show me one regular cleaning agreement on a home. Second I would like to see it be more than 1000.00.

Third, the job on regualr cleaning takes 1:45 to 2:30 tops.. at my worse case i will make 180.00 per hour per man. if everything runs great I make 300 per hour.

You show me in your business model were you make that on average and the job keeps repeating. Not in house washing.... never happen..

Painting a different story.

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[RMedbery]

$180 per man hour? Pfffft..........glad Im not a flatworker.

[RMedbery]

So Ron you got what, about 24 workers? (non-administrative)

[Ron Musgraves]

So Ron you got what, about 24 workers? (non-administrative)

43 total, and two shops in phx metro. building a new all in one shop as we speak.

We run 24 hours a day sunday through friday


27 to 31 techs.

If you had come to my round you would have met three outside sales. People met Tim 14 years sales Lani 2 years and Julie 9 years new construction.

[Ron Musgraves]

$180 per man hour? Pfffft..........glad Im not a flatworker.

Why does it got to be about KEC or Flatwork. Doesnt the Uamcc stand for us together? United as one cleaning industry trying to better it all the way around?

[Ron Musgraves]

The 2009 round we will tour my new location as part of the roundtable.

Hope to see you again Roger, cant wait.

[Johnson]

Ron, whats one of your secrets for selling commercial work high, when alot of companies want a low price most of the time?
Worth a shot Thanks.

[Ron Musgraves]

Ron, whats one of your secrets for selling commercial work high, when alot of companies want a low price most of the time?
Worth a shot Thanks.


Its alot of different things, mainly education and showing them you actually clean to bare concrete when most splash and dash for 65 dollars.

As you see above we have our maint price which is much less than the intial or one time cleaning.

Over the years we haev just developed a way to clean faster and more effective than most companies.

We make them realize useing us migt be higher but the savings in the long run is worth it.

We do run crazy specials as intro ads to our company. These are intended to put us infront of the customer. We dont intend on making money with specials.

Most companys that run ridiculous ads are trying to raise the prices and make money on every sales call. I used the word sales call, that simply all it is.

Also if I ran and ad i would give you a 100 dollars if you meet me for five minutes i would make money. When I left they would be a customer for life.

This simply cannot be explained in one posting. Please feel free to attend a roundtable and we can talk and talk and talk.

Thanks

[Johnson]

Thanks Ron.
I like that idea with the $100 for 5 min. I might try that one day

[RMedbery]

actually clean to bare concreteHmmmmmmm.............that sounds vaguely familiar.

[Ron Musgraves]

Hmmmmmmm.............that sounds vaguely familiar.

Where did you think the NFPA got it? I helped them with that years ago, if you dont believe me just ask me.

Messing around, remember that cleaning is suppose to be that. I mean no one puts dishes away with food still on them. When you clean your tub you expect the rings gone and the tub to shine.

I know you guys have trouble with it because hacks shine hoods and charge people cheap prices for doing 1/3 of the job.

Trust me , it happens in every proffession.

I'm certain your aircraft parts you saw differences from one supplier to the next.

Or even your fellow mechanic trying to bandaid something you thought should not be.

Its a doggie dog world, if you keep your head up and keep educated and fighting the truth comes through. People who actually care respond and those who have always been hacks will bread more.

[Ron Musgraves]

Thanks Ron.
I like that idea with the $100 for 5 min. I might try that one day

I actaully do a trade with movie theaters and often seduce them with movie tickets if a i can get some of there time.

It works, especially during holidays.

[Ron Musgraves]

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Another thing flatwork guys get call for. Restoration damage.

[RMedbery]

I'm certain your aircraft parts you saw differences from one supplier to the next.

Or even your fellow mechanic trying to bandaid something you thought should not be.Actually there would be jail time for that.

[Ron Musgraves]

Actually there would be jail time for that.

I was on a plane last week and I noticed they changed the leather rest to a material. The material was cheap.

Another example i was flying on US air and the ac didnt work in the plane for a bit. The Plastic cups they were using had changed brands, the flight people couldnt use them. The heat from the plane had melted them, the attendant said the old ones never melted.

People will always look for cheap junk.

In the service business if you always give quality you will be around.

[tegrey]

Ron,
I believe you misinterpreted my eariler post. I said it is good to have companys like yours to do the type of cleaning of dumpsters, etc. We don't do this, because we are a quality-service business. It doesn't mean any less no matter what we clean. The bottom line, is it profitable? I had a painting contractor from Calif. challenge my pricing a few years back. He was getting $75. / hr. Ours is much less. However when all was said and done, he did not make any more then we do. Compare prices. Our insurance was 1/4 his. I spend $2.50 for a gal. of milk. My home in Ohio is worth $160,000. In california it is pushing $1,000,000. The list goes on. No one impresses me by what they charge. $150.00 per hr. in some areas equates to $50.00 / hr. in Ohio. We many times look at the price of things without looking at the actual cost. Check out cars on line. They ask not only your zip code but sometimes what county you live in. That shows how cost vary? Again, we also are a very small company. Size doen't mean anything either. I know of painter who have 80 painters. They just laid off 35. We have five full time total employees. We have never laid anyone off other then 1-2 weeks during the Holidays. Maybe you cannot see the Value of a small company since you have so many years as being very large and having a large expense? I appreciate the very large business in all industrys. This is good. They handle the work we wouldn't do and give me some one to recommend on very large projects. We do recommend large work to qualified companys. This is a benefit to our business and builds our reputation as a company to rely on. I do not charge anything for recommendation either. We share and work together. I hope the UAMCC developes a program for sharing no cost networking. I'd love to recommend a PWer in Fla for a local customer. Someone I know and could rely on. And at not cost or profit to me. This make us more Valuable and reputable to our customers. I hope you did not take my eariler comment as a negative remark. It is ment to be very positive. We all do something different and no one has all the answers. No one is 100% right or wrong. This is why BBS are good. Sharing ideas and information to be of value to all involved. Thank You.

[Ron Musgraves]

I hope the UAMCC developes a program for sharing no cost networking. I'd love to recommend a PWer in Fla for a local customer. Someone I know and could rely on. And at not cost or profit to me. This make us more Valuable and reputable to our customers.

When stuff is free, that usually what it’s worth!

On the economy is different in your neck versus mine. I don’t think ford or gm cares. That car is the same price.
Neither do commercial customers.

The base is the base and if they can like you or I get someone to do a job for less they will try.

That why I have spent my life educating those customers we are a valuable tradesmen’s and we have a profession. Now I need some people like possibly the Uamcc or some other body that truly wants to raise the standards.

You right, no one will 100% correct...

But if I get to those few and they send the message and raise the standards it will be better for you and everyone else.

[Johnson]

I actaully do a trade with movie theaters and often seduce them with movie tickets if a i can get some of there time.

It works, especially during holidays.

Now I will do that. :wink:

With your permission of course. :biggrin:

[Ron Musgraves]

Now I will do that. :wink:

With your permission of course. :biggrin:

Have at it, let us know how it works out. It may not be instant success.

[tegrey]

Ron,
Does this mean the UAMCC should charge & profit from providing referals? I guess this could be very profitable for the UAMCC? Who would have to pay for this service? Is this a service you could provide? I guess it would have to be someone who knows the ins and outs of the PW business?
I will say, we do not spend the same on vehicles. My father in law retired with 37 yrs at GM. He'd tell you the same. Different cost for different parts of the country.
How would you recommend the UAMCC raise the Standards? Is there a school or individuals qualified to do this? I know the Certifications in the PW industry vary. Some are self made and others are actual teaching and testing. What would an actual certification in the PW industry cost and even look like? Thank you for sharing the ideas and info for building the UAMCC.

[Matt Bryan]

I have always been leery of anything free. There is almost always a catch somewhere and you don't usually find out about the catch until later.

[Ron Musgraves]

I have always been leery of anything free. There is almost always a catch somewhere and you don't usually find out about the catch until later.

This free is about orgs and people volunteering. Its doesnt work often and usally someone feels they did more and deserve more credit.

Yeah, free is usally not free.

I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks.

I guess theres a difference in free and stuff that is free.

I give stuff free, but people usally get a great service contractor for trying the product.

I have been to grand openings of places they gave free stuff and it taisted good so i went back again and again and again.

I just think the uamcc should charge and develop a great program.

[tegrey]

Ron, Matt,
Would you recommend the UAMCC charge for the education and business plans they develop? Would you charge for all networking and basically be a profit organization? I guess the officers should be paid also? Maybe we could get vendors and manufacturers to put up some of the cost? Just wondering how everything free is in your opinion.
"I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks."
This could be a good thing for the UAMCC to make money and have a profitable program for it's members?
I know I pay $500.00 / yr for PDCA and all executive committee members are paid. Some make pretty good money. The CEO also had a caddie for part of his benefits. Thank you.

[Ron Musgraves]

Ron, Matt,
Would you recommend the UAMCC charge for the education and business plans they develop? Would you charge for all networking and basically be a profit organization? I guess the officers should be paid also? Maybe we could get vendors and manufacturers to put up some of the cost? Just wondering how everything free is in your opinion.
"I was talking about stuff that is truly free usally sucks."
This could be a good thing for the UAMCC to make money and have a profitable program for it's members?
I know I pay $500.00 / yr for PDCA and all executive committee members are paid. Some make pretty good money. The CEO also had a caddie for part of his benefits. Thank you.

If you talk with your folks and PDCA they will tell you that 250 to 350 is spent admin the names alone.

So that leaves 150.00 for other things. Its not enough, people are spending money on education. My kids are costing me alot of money to attend the Schools they are in.

You mentioned about support from dist, yes in every org the associates pay the ticket.

I cant see that happening in PW yet, but if someone builds it they will come.

Please dont be offended by my type, i stink at coveying messages online.

I was disappointed to see you go non-profit. I wanted to see the uamcc stay private.

I suppose if you do things correctly it will work. I just dont want to see you fall in the same boat the PWNA has in the last few years.

[tegrey]

Ron,
I was on the National Board for PDCA for 4 years. I actually was the only one who voted against the annual budget for two years running! Out of 50+ votes, I stood alone. However I believe the $ was not there as stated by the board. Isn't the PWNA a profit org.? You started the PWNA didn't you? How are they doing being a profit company? I guess the UAMCC could have been for profit. Maybe making money from members and charging them for all the cost plus paying officers would grow the org. better? Having security for anyone today couldn't hurt. The PDCA does spend over $4,000,000 per year. The CEO is paid well as are all the office workers. That would be goal to work for in the UAMCC? Having a nice bank account can't hurt.
As far as giving references to another PWer, do you believe I should charge for that service? How would I go about that? If I gave a PWer in Fla. a name and number, maybe I should get a referal fee first? I wouldn't know how to do that as I have never charged anyone for a referal. I guess I could charge according to the size of job also? How about multiple jobs? I should become a Broker? That would be a good life! Thank You.

[Ron Musgraves]

Ron,
I was on the National Board for PDCA for 4 years. I actually was the only one who voted against the annual budget for two years running! Out of 50+ votes, I stood alone. However I believe the $ was not there as stated by the board. Isn't the PWNA a profit org.? You started the PWNA didn't you? How are they doing being a profit company? I guess the UAMCC could have been for profit. Maybe making money from members and charging them for all the cost plus paying officers would grow the org. better? Having security for anyone today couldn't hurt. The PDCA does spend over $4,000,000 per year. The CEO is paid well as are all the office workers. That would be goal to work for in the UAMCC? Having a nice bank account can't hurt.
As far as giving references to another PWer, do you believe I should charge for that service? How would I go about that? If I gave a PWer in Fla. a name and number, maybe I should get a referal fee first? I wouldn't know how to do that as I have never charged anyone for a referal. I guess I could charge according to the size of job also? How about multiple jobs? I should become a Broker? That would be a good life! Thank You.

I was never even on the BOD of the PWNA ever. They are non-profit and are worth a bit at this point.

PWNA history is just that for me history, but you should get some folks on with you guys that know the mistakes they made so you dont follow the same path.

Free doesnt work with anything, The answer on how you would do this would be the million dollar answer Terry.

I'm not even sure other than members networking together will wrok unless its a fundamental motto promoted from with in the org.

I'm not certain and org could remain fair handling leads to its members, people are very mistrusting of others.

Each and every hard working team member now is being looked at by the public, wondering what there hidden agendas are.

Its a shame people just cant accept some folks just want to help and raise the bar.

[tegrey]

Ron,
I know Carlos and the Team is working on total transparency. Since March Carlos and I spoke many time of the UAMCC being totally transparent. They should have no problem with that subject. You say the public is looking at the hidden agendas? I'd like to discuss that with anyone. No one ever said that to me this past year. They should contact any team member for the answer to hidden agendas! There are none. Only a fool would say that. I apoplgise about my comment about you and the PWNA. I aparently mis read comments & info on the PWI stating you had a part in running the PWNA.
Do you think an outside source should run a referal group for the UAMCC? Would this be fair? How much could they charge and of course the UAMCC would profit from such an endeavor?
I believing that raising the bar is a tough thing to do. We have single individuals with no experience and individuals like your self with years of experience with 35 employees. How do we make it equal in the offerings? You are way past any basic training and would need specialized training in your business. All in all, raising the bar would take special handling and training I believe. Thank you

[Scott Stone]

I specialize in figuring out how to do stuff that few others want to do. That is my favorite part of the job. For a transfer station, I would do it in a heart beat. There would not even be a question of anything more than price. the two craziest jobs that i have had were to clean teh interior of an ice cream freezer, while it was still in operation, at 20 below, (Yes, it can be done, but is specialized, and you better be ready to replace the packing in your pump) and to clean a sewage treatment plants seperation tanks. (at least I did not have to worry about recovery.)

[topcoat]

Ron,
I believing that raising the bar is a tough thing to do. We have single individuals with no experience and individuals like your self with years of experience with 35 employees. How do we make it equal in the offerings? You are way past any basic training and would need specialized training in your business. All in all, raising the bar would take special handling and training I believe. Thank you

Terry

I think this is a good assessment. Like you, I came into the pw arena via the paint business, and so I appreciate your take on things. For that reason, I found it unfortunate that you have left the TT. It would have been to the associations benefit to have your continued representation of those who are in the field but are not pw specialists.

As a new contributor to this forum, and (compared to everyone here) an entry level company in the pw field, I am spending time reading all posts to try to learn more about growing this service in my business. I am at once impressed with the professionals in the pw industry and also feeling that it will be more of a daunting challenge to grow my pw service into more than the rudimentary offering that it currently is. Its a tough challenge for the UAMCC to serve both ends of the spectrum. The leadership is there though.

[tegrey]

Scott,
First I have not disapeared. I am working hard on other items today. I will support the TT and UAMCC as long as the goals stay the same as we started the group last march. Thank you for your kind words. I truly appreciate them. The Gentlemen running the program now are a great benefit to the industry. They are doing a great job for us all.
I'd like to address your next subject.
Your Comment,
"I am at once impressed with the professionals in the pw industry and also feeling that it will be more of a daunting challenge to grow my pw service into more than the rudimentary offering that it currently is. Its a tough challenge for the UAMCC to serve both ends of the spectrum. The leadership is there though. "
Back to me,
Everyone on this BBS should be contractors. Whether a 1 man or 35 man shop, we are contractors. I have great friends in the painting industry who vary as we do here. One friend paints Disney Land another paints fences in Bose MT. They all share ideas and help one another. A good friend from Oregon has 85 painters. Heavy industrial. He just laid off 35 men. We all have the same problems and goals.
I started with a pull along HD 2.5 gal. PWer. Hand scrubbing houses, etc. One of my first jobs was cleaning a home on ladders and it took me over 8 hrs. Today I could do that job in 2 hrs with no ladders. Just goes to show there is hope for everybody! LOL Never think you will be rudementary! You are a contractor growing your business. You have challenges and questions that need answered. You may be doing the work all wrong?
The answer is right here. We have educated contractors willing to share and help each other. No one ever knows it all or has all the answers. Some may feel they are the top of the heap, but take a close look at them. They started as most of us and they still have the same problems we do. I'd just recommend to you, "Surround your selves with the best contractors, build your business and differeniate the good from the bad".
Our first year within the PW industry, our business was 8% of our business. This year it will be about 15%. Next year possibly 25%. That is a goal and something to work for. You have the edge on many as you have more to offer. You will clean a home or deck and then paint it! Not too bad is it? Make your goal to be the best PWing company in your area. Buy the right equipment and share info with others. Be a profitable contractor in the PWing industry as we do with the painting industry. I wish you all the best. If I can help you in any way, Please feel free to call. Thank you.

[topcoat]

Hey Terry

I would like to be in touch. I have been observing from afar your work with the PDCA etc. for years. You've done alot for the paint industry.

[Ron Musgraves]

Hey Terry

I would like to be in touch. I have been observing from afar your work with the PDCA etc. for years. You've done alot for the paint industry.


I would love to hear more, possibly help me understand Terrys thinking?

[topcoat]

I would love to hear more, possibly help me understand Terrys thinking?


Ron

I dont know that I can bridge the disconnect that the two of you have when it comes to philosophy of business. I am new to this bbs, but its easy to see that your relationship may be beyond repair.

I do know that for years I have known of Terry and his business on the national paint stage and it would be silly to say that he is not an industry leader. I have only been on this forum for a few weeks, but I can see that this doesnt necessarily translate to much of meaning to the mobile contract cleaners, which is unfortunate. When I initially saw Terry as a TT member, I thought that was great. Shortly after, he stepped down, which I personally thought was unfortunate because I liked the idea of joining a cleaning organization on which paint company crossover members like myself would be well understood. We are companion industries and could very much benefit from working together.

All of this is not to say that I am taking sides in the generally disagreeable stance that you and Terry share. It wouldnt matter if I did. I have found you to be a very interesting character in the industry. At first, I thought you might be the Vince McMahon of the cleaning industry - almost caricature-like in your capacity to appear larger than life, but no doubt a master of promotion which is I think where some of Terry's disagreement with you exists. I have read alot of your posts here and elsewhere and also seen alot of both current and historical videos on youtube, etc and I pick up ideas from you as well.

Ultimately, no, I can't help you understand Terry anymore than I can help Terry understand you.

[Ron Musgraves]

I have no problem with Terry, Its great he has been involved in others orgs as you have stated.

It would be good to hear more of his experiences. I think you might be taking it out of context.

Thanks, glad I could also help you, and there is always more than one way.

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[topcoat]

I have no problem with Terry, Its great he has been involved in others orgs as you have stated.

It would be good to hear more of his experiences. I think you might be taking it out of context.

Thanks, glad I could also help you, and there is always more than one way.

Ron

I'll be surprised if you dont already know this, but Terry has done alot of work in the Ohio-Indiana Council of the PDCA, as the president of the Canton-Stark County Chapter. His company was one of the first that I was aware of to become a PDCA Accredited Contractor. Also, he seems to pop up every year in PWC, Deco, and APC, in fact I think he is a regular name in the Who's Who in the Painting Industry feature from APC.

I'm not at all here (or anywhere) to toot Terry's horn. I have never met, spoken with, or even exchanged an email with the man. However, all of the above accomplishments have shown me leadership in the paint industry, which is an industry that is plagued by complacency and lowest common denominators. You guys think that the washing/cleaning industry is divided, well the paint trade is more than divided, it is pretty well diced. So, for my part, in growing a business over the past 12 years, I have definitely looked to companies like Terry's for motivation to create something that would clearly set a high bar of professionalism in the field.

Ron, you are probably right that I am taking it out of context (whatever the history is between you and Terry). As I said, I look to both of you for ideas and motivation and look forward to opportunities to provide some of the same in return in '09.

[tegrey]

Scott,
Thank you for the nice comments. I appreciate your post. Having any good organization to back us is a positive. I know too many painters who rely on their experience only. Kinda like doing what Grandpa did 30 years ago. The UAMCC will be a huge benefit for the PW industry. Sharing ideas are a must. We all need to decide what is a benefit for our business. Thanks again.

[Ron Musgraves]

Very Nice Words Scott,

You will never hear me speak poorly about anyone here ever. People are just trying to make the industry a better place. Each and every person just has a different way of doing it.

Terry is a good person and I'm sure his passions drive him. We both have ideas and we all will work hard to get these ideals in action in the coming years.

Good meeting you Scott and hope to see at a roundtable somewhere.

[topcoat]

Very Nice Words Scott,

You will never hear me speak poorly about anyone here ever. People are just trying to make the industry a better place. Each and every person just has a different way of doing it.

Terry is a good person and I'm sure his passions drive him. We both have ideas and we all will work hard to get these ideals in action in the coming years.

Good meeting you Scott and hope to see at a roundtable somewhere.

Thanks Ron, and I think its great that we all can respect each others differences of opinion and approach. Its that sort of tolerance and open mindedness that can be hard to come by, but allows us all to gain from the diversity in our industries. Prior to joining this board, I had my own interests in residential cleaning and that was all I was concerned with, and its been really eye opening to see and hear about all the different aspects of cleaning, such as flatwork, dumpsters and kec that even though I will probably never venture into, many of the same principles apply to our businesses. I do hope to make it to a roundtable at some point in '09.

[Ron Musgraves]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n132/RonMusgraves1/Cleaning%20Expo/de04.jpg


Live Demo at Denver Roundtable for a GM of this location.

[tegrey]

Ron, Do you use pump up sprayers for dumpsters? Thank you.

[Ron Musgraves]

Ron, Do you use pump up sprayers for dumpsters? Thank you.

That was a live demo for a GM, yes for that demo we do. If we are working in the field yes and no. alittle down streaming dees the trick.

[Ron Musgraves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2LLEBJFC4Y

WOW, Check this OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ron Musgraves]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeBOeXOXRKM


Little Dumpster video...

[PressurePros]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2LLEBJFC4Y




WOW, Check this OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wow is right. Ron, what do you think something like that costs?

[Ron Musgraves]

Wow is right. Ron, what do you think something like that costs?


http://www.tokbox.com/vm/xkerx4314dfl

Click Above to view my reply!!!!!!

[Ron Musgraves]

http://www.cleandumpsters.com/

Old dumpster pricelists. will be updated next month

[Ron Musgraves]

We are running our 25 dollar dumpster wash this month....

You should try it

[Ron Musgraves]

Still washing this at the price of 25 each

[Lonnie Greenwood]

are you doing them monthly or every three month here it is 3months

[Ron Musgraves]

are you doing them monthly or every three month here it is 3months
Most monthly

[terryfish1968]

I thought I was doing well at $495 for a Taco Bell ....

[Ron Musgraves]

I thought I was doing well at $495 for a Taco Bell ....

How often, some taco bells I wouldnt touch for less than 1000

[Ron Musgraves]

Interesting


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